1. Much has been said regarding the Teoh Beng Hock saga.
2. Sadly some people would like to use this unfortunate and tragic event as a political mileage in their never ending political ambitions.
3. I have heard a lot about what allegedly happened on that fateful morning however since the inquest is on-going I am bound to keep tight lip about it at least until the inquest is over.
4. However if a person uses their mind in the right manner, one might be able to see what is really going on.
5. Today, Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand testified at the court after she was brought specially from Thailand on the expense of the Selangor state government.
6. No one should/could deny her many experiences in handling forensic cases since she has worked on over thousands of cases before.
7. However today she testified in the court 100% based on the Beng Hock Autopsy report. Yep that is correct. She did not do any CSI-like investigation on the body or the crime scene.
8. She testified based on what she read from the Autopsy report.
9. Many pro-PR supporters jump in ecstasy when Dr Pornthip suggest that there could be 80% chances of homicide and 20% of suicide. Many pro-BN supporters also whack the personality and physical feature of Dr Pornthip upon hearing/reading this.
10. I believe both reactions are pre-mature. The notion that if TBH died because homicide = PR right BN wrong OR TBH died because of suicide = BN right PR wrong is down right silly.
11. Again let me stress that Dr Pornthip suggested the 80-20 based from reading the autopsy report only. If some of the fanboys from both sides actually took time to read what had transpired in the court they would noticed that Dr Pornthip wished she had a chance to talk to the two pathologists who did Teoh autopsy on the results.
12. Dr Pornthip is just being a professional here. She never said that her opinion is absolute or her opinion is the truth but many of the PR fanboys think so. Many pro-PR news portal try very hard to spin it that way.
13. When a patient goes to see a doctor and the doctor gives his/her prognosis, it is the patients’ right to seek a second opinion from another doctor. The second doctors’ prognosis may or may not be in agreement with the first doctor. If there are disagreements over prognosis, the two doctor will discuss it. This is a normal procedure.
14. So what is the fuss about this 80-20 thingy? Dr Pornthip requested to have the chance to talk with the two pathologists who did Teoh autopsy on the result.
15. Dr Pornthip also said she didn’t get copies of all documents from the Selangor government which engaged her services.
16. Earlier in the day Dr Pornthip suggested round marks on Teoh’s neck could mean ‘manual strangulation’ with fingers. When she was given Teoh’s photos in order for her to spot any signs strangulations she had described earlier, she could not find any.
17. In the end she requested to do 2nd autopsy even if have to exhume Teoh’s body from the ground.
18. So my suggestion is to let her do it.
19. The question which we should all ask is :
- a. If TBH died from suicide, what is his motive? People do not just jump out of building one morning just for the sake of jumping. Something must have bothered/scared him?
- b. If TBH died from homicide. what is the motive? Ask any policeman around the world, all murder have motive. Who benefited the most from TBH killing?
20. We all know from the Autopsy report as well as Dr Pornthip’s opinion, the death occurred around 6 a.m. to 7 a.m.
21. Now we all know the MACC investigation ended by 3 a.m. There are eye witnesses who saw TBH was laughing and eating with MACC members.
22. We also know that between 3 a.m. to 6 a.m someone with the surname Tan, met and scolded TBH in the toilet in an angry manner.
23. A few hours after that TBH was found dead.
24. Do not be a sheep here. God has given us brain so we should use it.
25. For those who accused MACC have a hand in the death, what is the benefit to them if TBH is dead? We all know TBH was giving MACC lots of details about a certain somone/some groups doing certain activities. Why would MACC want their main witness dead?
26. For those who accused a certain other party of having a hand in the death of TBH, what is the benefit to him/them if TBH is dead? We all know during that time, this certain party was accused of having some link/connection with ‘underworld lords/mafia/gangster‘. This party was also accused of being involved in corruption practices.
27. TBH was the political aide for a certain State Exco by the surname of Ean who coincidentally came from that certain party! TBH was called to MACC building to help MACC to investigate whether the scandals involving that certain party is correct or not.
28. Now ask yourself again….who gains the most from TBH death whether it is by suicide or homicide?
29. So who did it? What happened? Ask the questions…connect the dots and you will find the truth.
#1 by martha on November 7, 2009 - 4:40 pm
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How I wish your para 19 .b to read altantuya instead of TBH
#2 by Fatimah Zuhri on November 1, 2009 - 2:22 pm
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My Dear donplaypuks,
1. The investigation of this “certain party” and its involvement in “underworld lords” in still on-going.
2. The investigation received setbacks with the death of TBH, since TBH is the KEY witness in this whole affair. This itself throw away all the nonsense about involvement of MACC in TBH homicide or suicide.
3. This just further prove that MACC has everything to lose with the death of TBH and the other party gains because TBH death managed to cover their tracks (involvement with the underworlds).
4. Why does anyone wanna meet a friend in a toilet at 3 am – 6 am just to say “You”? You what? lol What really happened in the toilet? Were there any threats being made to TBH or his family/fiancee?
5. How can the death of TBH bring Selangor back into the hands of PM? Am I the only one finding this weird? Wouldn’t it be much better politically for TBH to spill the beans about the involvement of certain party with underworld lords?
6. Nobody is resisting another autopsy. There have been 2 autopsy before. Most probably Dr Pornthip will be given the opportunity to examine the body herself. I am sure that you will agree that since Dr Ponrthip is engaged by PR state government of Selangor, at least another pathologist should do the investigation with her.
7. On your allegation of the T4TBH website, all I can say is have you read about the watergate scandal? Leaking information to the public so that the public can be aware of the truth is not wrong but virtuous. Plus if a certain party are so angry, why not just sue the person in charge of the blog? lol
8. The MACC building had no CCTV if I am not mistaken (please correct me if I am). Also the building is not a police station therefore your statement that the place is “swarming with officers and guards” falls flat on the surface. The fact that TBH friend was in the toilet scolding and angrily shouted at him proved this fact. MACC building is not Bukit Aman my dear…lol. Please read what is MACC. They are not police with guns and all…lol
9. Nobody is pointing fingers at anyone here. Why get so riled up and angry about it? The article just link all the dots (which are in the public domains) together. As I mentioned in the article, God have given us brain, so let us use it wisely and objectively.
10. The Malays have a saying that goes like this : “Siapa yang makan cili dialah yang akan terasa pedasnya…”
#3 by donplaypuks on October 31, 2009 - 4:31 pm
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So far MACC has not produced a shred of evidence or proof that TBH or a certain party had any link/connection with ‘underworld lords/mafia/gangster‘. Even MP Wee Choo Keong has made no police report and all he was doing was pass on what he heard from a 3rd party.
We only have MACC’s word that TBH was on the verge of spilling “something big”. There is no independent corroboration of this anywhere or that TBH had co-operated at all!!
As to the so called quarrel between TBH nad TBW, go read the transcript at the inquest. The guard hearld only 1 word uttered in the toilet – ‘You!. It was not a prolonged row as you and others claim. What would say if you suddenly met a friend in a toilet at 3 a.m.? Boon Hwa was at all times under the watch and guard of MACC officers. This is also in the evidence transcript!!
Given that the PM has urged ‘take back Selangor at all costs’ is it not possible that some officers got over-exuberant as in the Kugan case? Else explain how senior trained & experienced officers ‘fled the scene in panic’ for 5 hours and failed to seal MACC’s premises when the body was discovered?
And how and why did files and documents found in the possession of MACC find their way from TBH’s confiscated laptop to T4TBH website? Why did these officers leak it? And why are they resisting a 2nd post mortem that will surely help us establish the truth?
It’s patently clear now that the suicide theory originally mooted by MACC and supported by the Police is a load of cobblers. And if “underworld characters” offed TBH, how did they get into MACC’s premises and office without the CCTV recording their arrival and departure, and carry it all out in a place swarming with MACC officers and security guards and walk off like invisible ghosts?
As to finger pointing at the whole or even part of DAP in this sordid affair, that is clearly the work of Toyo and scurrilous UMNO vermin out to discredit DAP and the Pakatan led Selangor Govt. Their obscene agenda is very, very clear!
Please go sell your hare-brained hypotheses elsewhere!
dpp
We are all of 1 race, the Human Race
#4 by Fatimah Zuhri on October 24, 2009 - 4:51 pm
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Libation Bearer
1. You wrote “…There is a movement at the moment to upgrade the NEP and making more widespread and stauncher…”
2. Proof?
3. The website for Satu Sekolah Untuk Semua is :
http://satusekolahuntuksemua.wordpress.com/sss-faqs-eng
4. Dear readers, comment on the issue please (TBH) and do not respond to people who want to side track the REAL issue.
5. The issue is not a race issue. The issue is about a young man who was either murdered OR committed suicide.
6. Instead arguing over petty things, we should instead ask ourselves:
a. If TBH died from suicide, what is his motive? People do not just jump out of building one morning just for the sake of jumping. Something must have bothered/scared him?
b. If TBH died from homicide. what is the motive? Ask any policeman around the world, all murder have motive. Who benefits the most from TBH killing?
#5 by Fatimah Zuhri on October 24, 2009 - 4:42 pm
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My dear good man,
I’ve read through all your points but failed to find anything about TBH other than your constant attacks on anything malay.
#6 by Libation Bearer on October 24, 2009 - 12:00 pm
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Dear Teh Tarik, and the general reader here.
Do not be alarmed by Provocatuer Supreme Goodman below. This writing has appeared several times elsewhere in other blogs (saaaame writings, saaame points even saaame phrases) using some other nicknames. This writing is not new: it has been floating around for quite a bit. So we do not fall into his trap of wanting us to respond. Only people who are not able to pierce through the purports of his writing as such, and recognize his intentions will fall into his trap.
Anyway, our answer is very simple. Far from wishing that the blogmaster delete writings such as these, we hope that such writings appear MORE FREQUENTLY.
We will then pool together all such thoughts and writings and keep them for reference. There is a movement at the moment to upgrade the NEP and making more widespread and stauncher (30%? Heck we want more). The concept of Ketuanan Melayu will be made to become entrenched as a National Policy, the glories of Bahasa Malaysia will be made to stand up even more via the SSS (http://deminegara.blogspot.com/2009_05_12_archive.html)
campaign and people like Goodman shall be shown the door (http://ondastreet.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/sic-letter1.pdf). And without writings that condemn the malays like these, there will not be enough points to justify our cause.
As for Goodman himself, please continue what you are doing. You are helping us greatly, really.
Libation Bearer
#7 by tehtarik on October 24, 2009 - 9:06 am
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1. I am very appalled and sad by the so-called “Goodman’s” posting below.
2. If I were the blogger, I would have definitely deleted “forever” from this blog.
3. Your mind is so outdated that I suspect you seldom stay in Malaysia. But it is your choice that you prefer to stay in your “well” (Chinese proverb: A frog in the well), or worse still, under the coconut shell (Malay proverb: katak di bawah tempurung), and that you wish to publish your masterpiece.
4. It maybe also you are a provocateur, trying to stir up emotions and hatred among the readers who are from diverse background, groupings, religions and ethnic groups….
5. Again, as I stated earlier, the choice is yours. Our Chinese proverb says: “When man does a thing, the Heaven (God) is watching”.
6. You can hide, but you cannot run (from your bad karmas), brader….Best wishes to you.
#8 by Fatimah Zuhri on October 23, 2009 - 10:10 am
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Salak,
1. Care to explain? lol
#9 by Fatimah Zuhri on October 23, 2009 - 10:09 am
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CK Mak,
1. I have heard different version of course of whose beans he spilled.
2. But since the case is already in-court I think let it finish first.
3. Pepatah melayu ada berkata…”Sepandai-pandai tupai melompat akhirnya jatuh ke tanah jua..”
#10 by Fatimah Zuhri on October 23, 2009 - 10:07 am
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Dear Tan,
1. Public perception of MACC has nothing to do with TBH death.
2. I do not believe MACC is one sided in their investigation. MACC investigate cases from both sides. This is a fact. You can ask MalaysiaKini reporters to do an interview with the MACC officers and ask them if it is true that no BN politicians are being investigated.
3. Too much reading propaganda websites will make you dis-oriented my dear.
4. That is why you have to read propaganda and news from BOTH SIDES in order to make a clear and non bias judgement
#11 by Ali Bakawali on October 23, 2009 - 8:13 am
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Salak wrote:
“You wrote objectively for the first 18 points.
After that you fell victim to your own “latah”! haha!”
What this fella means to say is that in as far as a picture of factual objectivity is concerned, Fatimah Zuhri was doing agreeably alright and sensibly believable. But the moment she gathers all these conclusions and methodically piece one by one and arrive at as to who the real culprits were, then in his eyes Fatimah “melatah”.
Yes folks, this is what the Pakatan Supporters are made up of. Once having a DAP-backed picture of “Everything-Gomen-is-Bad”, then no matter how much sense or evidences are put, they have a one-track mind already.
Remember how it was shown that when RPK tuduh Rosmah bombed Altantuya or was present then, and it was shown later that Rosmah was indeed somewhere else attending some anak yatim function? Did this result in the mostly-chinese slanderers and believers back down in their allegations? No. They keep on harping on it, hoping that there are still the uninformed around who could still be made to believe.
Keep on writing, Fatimah. Your insights are educational to some, informational to most, and loathed by a few.
Ali Bakawali
#12 by Salak on October 23, 2009 - 2:48 am
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You wrote objectively for the first 18 points.
After that you fell victim to your own “latah”! haha!
#13 by CK Mak on October 22, 2009 - 7:01 pm
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Dear Fatimah,
Thank you for what you posted on your blog. You really got me thinking there.
Logically as you’ve said, someone from a certain party wants TBH to be shut up.
Problem is why?
Based on what I’ve read (I probably didn’t read enough), TBH is investigated for Rm2400 case.
Did they talk about in details what the investigations or the interrogation with TBH is about?
If TBH is spilling out all the beans, whose beans are those?
#14 by tehtarik on October 22, 2009 - 5:10 pm
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Well written, Puan.
Besides “suicide” * “homicide”, I’d like to add that, there is another offence known as “manslaughter” :
“MANSLAUGHTER – The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent.
The distinctions between manslaughter and murder, consists in the following: In the former, though the act which occasions the death be unlawful, or likely to be attended with bodily mischief, yet the malice, either express or implied, which is the very essence of murder, is presumed to be wanting in manslaughter.”
In manslaughter, it appears that no motive is required, especially “involuntary manslaughter”:
“Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter.”
#15 by Tan on October 22, 2009 - 4:59 pm
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It is all about public perception of MACC. Look at all the high profile cases reported and what is the final verdict. Besides, the Enforcement Officers must be seen to be professional in their conduct and act in neutrality.
#16 by Fatimah Zuhri on October 22, 2009 - 7:54 am
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Dear Chin Kiang,
1. Forgot to answer you about RPK.
2. The reason RPK does not want to face the judges is because he has got no proof for what he accused Najib
3. It is as simple as that.
4. The reason he is giving currently – afraid he will get ISAed – is ludicrious because he has been ISAed before..2 times in fact
#17 by Fatimah Zuhri on October 22, 2009 - 7:51 am
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Dear Chin Kiang,
1. I have asked and I just could not understand/find WHY or WHAT is the benefit to the MACC if TBH is dead?
2. But I can see the benefit for a certain party involved in corruption and underworld lords if TBH is dead.
3. Maybe you can explain your arguments to me?
#18 by Soo Chin Kiang on October 22, 2009 - 5:18 am
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Who have convidence in our systems, maybe you should ask yourself this question, all the Macc people have a interest in it and they plants witness and create a movie to hoodwink the public and this is not new and I can safely said that all the while they have been doing it and because we are a racist goverment no amounts of justices can be reach in this bolehland. Why you think RPK does not want to face the judges because of public prespective about our political judge.